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But wait! She doesn't seem to have taken the Mysterious Hand into account ...
But wait! She doesn't seem to have taken the Mysterious Hand into account ...
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Date: 2019-11-06 07:11 am (UTC)That looks like his sleeve.
(Whoever it is seems to be grabbing the top of Lucrezia's very large left fist. At first I thought it looked like he was grabbing her boob ... which didn't seem like something the Professors would depict.)
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Date: 2019-11-06 07:35 am (UTC)Agreed. Only gold cuff in the bunch.
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Date: 2019-11-06 08:43 am (UTC)Took her long enough to get around to zotting the locket. (I wonder if it was still holding Agatha back some, too, and getting rid of it won't be the boon she's expecting.)
The Royal Marines are enough to inconvenience her, and the rest of the protagonist cavalry hasn't moved in yet. (Wooster, while an very effective spy, is not combat-primary. Still hoping he's not beyond repair despite appearances.) Lucrezia doesn't understand what was up with Albia's temporary presence. The flying dingbot with the heterodyne soundtrack is still out there. There's lots left that could make this go badly for Lucrezia.
Interesting that's she's demanding love and acknowledgment rather than fear or obedience.
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Date: 2019-11-06 09:54 am (UTC)That's because there is definitely a tragedy behind Lucrezia. We've had enough hints. Looking forward to that reveal someday (it's to much to hope for this arc).
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Date: 2019-11-06 10:14 am (UTC)On the other hand, to her they might seem interchangeable.
I still like the theory that The Other is only part of Lucrezia's personality: Lucrezia really did want to be one of the Good guys with Bill and Barry, and she tried an experiment to split out the "evil side" of her personality and bottle it up. But it got away from her ...
Still unresolved: What happened to Original Lucrezia's body, and is she still in it?
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Date: 2019-11-06 09:22 pm (UTC)Did she, or did she just want to win? I believe the pout more than the attempted reform story.
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Date: 2019-11-06 11:01 pm (UTC)Probably both, IMHO
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Date: 2019-11-07 04:24 am (UTC)(This isn't something I expect to be clarified in the story, unless somehow in the endgame we get Klaus and Lucrezia yelling at each other.)
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Date: 2019-11-07 07:03 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2019-11-06 09:00 pm (UTC)Is there? Certainly she had a lousy upbringing, that seemed to encourage no-holds-barred competition among the children in a family with little in the way of morals/ethics, but was a core tragedy, or is this ongoing overreaction to not always winning or getting her way, or to other people having what she doesn't have? (There's space here for "lack of love and parental attention while growing up" to be her core brokenness, which is tragic, but not usually what's meant by "a tragedy" in a storytelling context.)
ETA: there's also the impression that her core / source of copies is stuck somewhere, conscious and deprived of cake (and presumably other pleasures of being incarnate), which could be tragic if someone else did that to her, but if she did it to herself I'm not very sympathetic. She can transfer minds -- she doesn't have to sit there and suffer as the core.
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Date: 2019-11-07 04:02 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2019-11-07 05:30 am (UTC)... pondering what she intended for Klaus Barry triggered some meadering thought.
Lucrezia started working on mind transfers early on. When did she start cultivating the Knights of Jove and arranging for there to be a suitable heir to the line of the Storm King? (Tarvek Was she planning to take over a Heterodyne (grand)daughter, marry a storm king she engineered, and rule Europa even before she married Bill? Convinced Bill to propose to her toward that end?
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Date: 2019-11-07 07:06 am (UTC)The word "when" takes on a fuzzy meaning if time travel is a plot element ...
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Date: 2019-11-07 12:07 pm (UTC)http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20090408#.XcQGcTNKhWw
So, do they start the Storm King / Heterodyne Princess prophesy? Or just build on it? Did Lucrezia manipulate things to "create" a Heterodyne Princess she could inhabit?
http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20100630#.XcQH-jNKhWw
And what went wrong?
http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20150424#.XcQIuTNKhWw
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Date: 2019-11-07 09:57 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2019-11-08 08:24 am (UTC)Build on it, I think. Zola's lecture suggest that the Knights of Jove had been around a while before the Mongfish family got involved, but Andronicus falling for Euphrosnia Heterodyne is historical (see also a much later conversation about them), and entered popular culture quite a while ago.
And what went wrong?
Given her complaints about cakelessness and not being rescued, I want it to be that the Muse of Time was captured by Van Rijn, but I have no idea how to mesh that into the "current day" plot to create a Lucrezia-controlled Heterodyne daughter. The "core" Lucrezia that new summonings are copied from probably came (partially?) from the muse-of-time Lucrezia?
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Date: 2019-11-06 12:49 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2019-11-06 08:42 pm (UTC)The Geisterdamen (who aren't with Milvistle) appear to adore Lucrezia, but that's a long-standing relationship, and I assume she put real work into establishing it, she didn't just show up and say "Hi, I'm your goddess." (Or maybe she did, but by luck or good planning she found a population that that was missing its goddess and let her step into that place.) *And* they're at least influenced by her "command voice" to back that up (which takes some set-up, though it's relatively easy set-up at this point with other people mass-producing her slaver wasps.)
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Date: 2019-11-06 09:29 pm (UTC)http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20061027#.XcM6sDNKhWw
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Date: 2019-11-06 09:39 pm (UTC)So many questions about Lucrezia's backstory.
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Date: 2019-11-06 10:58 pm (UTC)Or they have whatever it is that makes a human "wasped" ... Some years ago, Kaja supposedly answered a Q&A about the wasps by saying that they transfer an agent (bacteria? a neurotransmiter? a hormone? something else?) that turns people into revenants.
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Date: 2019-11-11 03:24 pm (UTC)Of course, it's also very likely that they work with wasps and this stuff so much (hanging out in hive engine maintenance workshops, revenant herding, etc), their hair and clothes are soaked with the smell either way.
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Date: 2019-11-06 10:53 pm (UTC)It's possible that five or six thousand years ago, the Other bred them for that. They might all be constructs that "bred true" (which as Agatha's foster parents demonstrated is possible in this universe). The apparent lak of male Geisters leads me to think that they might be parthenogenetic or even hermaphroditic -- recall the scene where Agatha and Vrin walked in on Eotain and Shrdlu in bed together.
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Date: 2019-11-07 08:55 am (UTC)If she made them, why would she make them such that she was unable to copy herself into them?
(I'd assumed the bed was the only vaguely comfortable, non-stone surface in the cell, rather than that anything was going on between the geisterdamen.)
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Date: 2019-11-07 10:08 pm (UTC)Well, I thought they looked awfully cozy together, not to mention annoyed at being interrupted.
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Date: 2019-11-06 08:02 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2019-11-06 12:47 pm (UTC)Not quite, but the closest.
Wellll…
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Date: 2019-11-06 02:58 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2019-11-07 03:53 pm (UTC)It reminds me of the scene in Crisis on Infinite Earths where the Anti-Monitor is boasting, "All life will be destroyed!" the superheroes seem checkmated, and then a hand grabs his. He says, "Who dares?" and then we see the Spectre answering, "I dare, cruel one! And I will stop you!"
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Date: 2019-11-06 10:48 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2019-11-06 10:47 pm (UTC)The Spark version of a cunning plan seems to be:
1. Invent some bizarre weapon
2. ???
3. Show them! Show them all!!!
Uh-oh!
Date: 2019-11-07 10:16 pm (UTC)Take a look at the fifth panel. Does The Other's right hand look familiar? As in, being identical to Ascended Lucrezia-in-Agatha's right hand in the current page?
It might be that we won't get the real Agatha back for quite some time in the narrative. Alternatively, ALiA's appearance might simply reflect The Other's self-image of her body.
Re: Uh-oh!
Date: 2019-11-08 08:26 am (UTC)I'll guess self-image with an option on favorite tool and/or time travel device?