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False child has a real enough voice, if they remember. . . .

Date: 2017-07-03 07:21 am (UTC)
murgatroyd666: (von Zinzer Hmm)
From: [personal profile] murgatroyd666
Okay, so I infer that:

➊ If they think that Agatha is the "False Child," then they must be convinced that someone else is the "True Child"

➋ The "someone else" is Zola

➌ Zola has the Command Voice

Also, we're nowhere near being done with the Paris arc, since we don't know what Aldin and Larana sought and found in the catacombs.

Date: 2017-07-03 10:03 am (UTC)
skybreak: Reynard (Default)
From: [personal profile] skybreak
Plausible, but I do think Zola is just pretending (very effectively) to be Lucrezia. She can draw upon Lu's knowledge and memories and thus knows how to command the Geisterdamen. She may sound similar to Lu and Agatha, but I don't think she can do the Command Voice in the same way they can. Well, that's my guess. Remember Tarvek was only able to give Anevka the Command Voice after making a copy of Agatha's.

Date: 2017-07-03 10:30 am (UTC)
murgatroyd666: (Default)
From: [personal profile] murgatroyd666
I agree with you except for the Command Voice part. The Geisterdamen wouldn't accept Zola as the True Child unless she had the Command Voice. And why shouldn't she have it? She's a Mongfish.

Date: 2017-07-03 06:22 pm (UTC)
glorin_4: (Default)
From: [personal profile] glorin_4
Could be false as in untrue = disloyal.

Date: 2017-07-03 09:37 am (UTC)
madfilkentist: Krosp, from Girl Genius by Phil and Kaja Foglio. (Krosp)
From: [personal profile] madfilkentist
I suppose it's useless to complain that "Geisters" is a double plural.

"Geist" is the original German noun, meaning "ghost" or "spirit." "Geister" is the plural form.

Date: 2017-07-03 10:06 am (UTC)
occams_pyramid: (Default)
From: [personal profile] occams_pyramid
It's shown in English, which mangles things it takes from other languages to fit its own rules.

Date: 2017-07-03 11:07 am (UTC)
madfilkentist: (Mokka)
From: [personal profile] madfilkentist
"English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary." — James Nicoll

Date: 2017-07-03 10:30 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] spectrum_09
Since they're referred to as Geisterdamen (also WeissDamen, Spider Riders - http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20050325#.WVobQYjyvIU) and people tend to shorten names, the quick reference is Geister.

Geisterdamen itself is plural - Ghostwomen, Ghostladies.

I believe Geisters has been used before.

Date: 2017-07-03 09:53 am (UTC)
skybreak: Reynard (Default)
From: [personal profile] skybreak
When Lucrezia first appeared (in Agatha, date=20060123) she said to Eotain and Shurdlu "You did it! You found her!" so surely they'd that know Agatha -is- the Holy Child, though they may not know about the locket.
Of course these may be a different pair of Geisterdamen...

Hmmm, we see the Geisterdamen as working for Lucrezia who is an evil ruthless megalomaniac, but I wonder how the Geisterdamen see themselves. Do they see Lu as evil?

Date: 2017-07-03 10:39 am (UTC)
murgatroyd666: (Default)
From: [personal profile] murgatroyd666
Of course these may be a different pair of Geisterdamen...

Didn't one of them (Eotain or Shurdlu) die in the assault on Paris?

My hunch is that the Geisterdamen are parthenogenetic, essentially clones of one another. I can't tell any of the rank and file Geisterdamen apart, can you?

Date: 2017-07-03 09:20 pm (UTC)
skybreak: Reynard (Default)
From: [personal profile] skybreak
Geisterdamen are parthenogenetic

I was thinking the same thing. I suspect that the Geisterdamen were created by Lucrezia (or her family) so they'd have a loyal and effective army ready when required.

Date: 2017-07-03 09:43 pm (UTC)
madfilkentist: Krosp, from Girl Genius by Phil and Kaja Foglio. (Krosp)
From: [personal profile] madfilkentist
Geisterdamen have their own language, which seems unrelated to any language widely used in real-life Europe. If Lucrezia created them, wouldn't they speak whatever language the Heterodynes speak (aka the Common Tongue)?

Date: 2017-07-03 10:51 pm (UTC)
skybreak: Reynard (Default)
From: [personal profile] skybreak
Hmmm, good point

Date: 2017-07-04 08:01 am (UTC)
murgatroyd666: (Default)
From: [personal profile] murgatroyd666
Geisterdamen have their own language, which seems unrelated to any language widely used in real-life Europe.

It does seem very similar to Skiff, though.

If Lucrezia created them, wouldn't they speak whatever language the Heterodynes speak (aka the Common Tongue)?

Perhaps ... but one open question is when Lucrezia created them. The Geisterdamen seem to have a long history, and The Other apparently can travel in time. What if Lucrezia created them two thousand years ago, stopping in every few decades to renew their faith in the Eternal Lady? Linguistic drift can do a lot of damage over the course of a few thousand years ... and the original language may have been Skiff rather than German, Romanian, Hungarian, or Russian (the Mongfish family lived in Novaya Zemlya).
Edited Date: 2017-07-04 08:06 am (UTC)

Date: 2017-07-03 10:43 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] spectrum_09
Vrin ( http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20061113#.WVodzYjyvIU ) and Shurdlu ( http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20161102#.WVoepojyvIU ) are dead. Eotain is most likely in a Child Catcher.

Unknown as to what Eotain and Shurdlu told the others. That can be over-ridden by someone who can control wasps. Could be Zola. Could be Zola teamed up with Lunevka. We'll see.

Date: 2017-07-04 12:42 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] spectrum_09
Unless Eotain was the one Zola killed.

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